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I've always thought that there are particular children and young people with 
	difficulties for whom residential group care is a better option than foster 
	care.A few among a number of "for instances" immediately spring to mind.
	
	
	1. Some children who are experiencing family difficulties and cannot for the 
	time being stay with their own families nevertheless feel that they do not 
	want to live in a substitute family setting because despite their problems 
	they still feel that they have a family and hope soon to return to it. For 
	themaccepting a placementwith a foster family may seem an act of 
	disloyalty. 
	2. Others may have had such a poor experience of family lifethat to live 
	with another family mayfeel too threatening for them.
	3.Others may already have experienced a number of family and foster family 
	breakdowns. 
	
	Or amI just kidding myself that residential child is a helpful resource 
	becauseI have spent somany years doing it and don't want to think I have 
	wasted my working life ? These aredoubts Isometimes have as I grow older 
	and no longer work directly with youngsters.
	Is residential child care really necessary ?
 
	Best wishes,
	Charles Sharpe
	...
Greetings Charles,
	
	My research on group homes for young people has documented some of the 
	differences between residential and foster care, and through interviews with 
	youth, staff and foster carers, offers support for the need for residential 
	care as part of a system of care for young people, at least in jurisdictions 
	of the world where young people are removed from home when own families are 
	unable to provide adequate care. Residential care is usually best used as a 
	transition resource, seeking to support and equip young people to 
	re-integrate into more intimate settings.
	
	Please see Pain, Normality and the Struggle for Congruence: 
	Reinterpreting Residential Care for Children and Youth, Haworth Press, 
	2002 (J.P. Anglin).
	
	Regards,
	
	Jim Anglin
	...
	
	Hi Charles,
Yes it is, until such time that we eradicate child 
	poverty, provide opportunity and quality of life that can provide a greater 
	attraction than chaotic drug and alcohol misuse, treat women and children 
	with respect and true equality of status and reclaim the spaces for children 
	to have childhoods. Sadly you can put your doubts to rest for the time being 
	and focus on promoting the best opportunities for healing and growth in the 
	residential sector as you do so well.
	
	Peace
	Jeremy Millar
	...
	
	Charles I totally agree with you. I'm working in residential care for 
	the past 20 years. Off course this is not the ideal but it's in 
	certain cases necessary. Everything that you said is true plus the 
	contact between the child and his parents whilst in residential care is much 
	easier because staff members can monitor the visits. Staff can also 
	help them with problems that they experience as a family. Staff aren't so 
	involved because of their professional relationship with the child. 
	
	Annelien Yzelle
	...
	
	Charles...in my opinion you did not waste your working life. There is a time 
	and a place for everything, including residential care. Not all children who 
	are in the foster care system are the same and you are right, foster care is 
	not a suitable environment for all of them. And example comes from my own 
	experience; I had a teenage boy and his sister come in to my home after 
	several foster home breakdowns. He had a lot of developmental / social / 
	behavioral issues and although we tried for well over a year he just needed 
	more...he needed 24 hr supervision, the change of staff, complete and total 
	structure, one-on-one attention and he needed the lock-down atmosphere which 
	was next to impossible with two other teens in the house (locked cupboards, 
	fridge, tv, computer, etc). He was a great kid and brought lots of joy to my 
	life but he needed more than I could give him. After he moved in to 
	residential care I continued to be a part of his life by attending his 
	planning meetings, taking him on outings and being invited to his 
	accomplishment dinners...it became a good situation for all of us and he 
	thrived in the residential environment.
	
	Hope this helps you feel better about it,
	
	Marsha Orieni
	...
	
	Charles,
	
	In response to your concern about having wasted your life working in 
	residential care, I would have to say no! I have worked in a residential 
	treatment centre for almost 26 yrs. The young people we deal with often have 
	no family, they have been through foster care and in several group homes.
Their maladaptive behaviors are often so extreme; 
	cutting (excessively), suicidal, sexual predators, extremely physically 
	violent, oppositional to everything, etc. The foster homes will not or 
	cannot take them, the group homes were not able to control them (staff were 
	consistently assaulted). We are the only option that the Ministry has as a 
	place for these kids. With consistent routines, rules, behavioral 
	interventions (and I don't mean always physical), highly trained staff with 
	proper staff to kid ratio, access to psychologists, psychiatrists and 
	specialized school services, we have success with some of our kids. They may 
	not go on to be brain surgeons but they are taught how to control their 
	anger, deal with loss, how to cope with conflict, job skills, etc., plus 
	they get to see that not all adults are bad. Sometimes we become the family 
	these kids lack and they come back to visit when they are older, they call 
	us to keep in touch or if they need a pep talk. Having worked in this field 
	long enough, I know there are some kids even we can't help. They need to 
	figure it out on their own or they move on to the justice system or mental 
	health system. If you've ever had a really tough kid come back or call to 
	tell you they are still alive and not doing to bad (far and few between but 
	it's success), you have not wasted your life, you have made a difference in 
	that young person's life and that in my opinion makes it worth it!
	
	Shawn
	...
	
	Charles, thanks for this,
	
	As always your contribution to this discussion forum is thoughtful, 
	stimulating, and often moving. This one for me is all 3. I think your 
	description of kids who need residential care answers your question. There 
	is now, and I believe always will be a need for good residential care. I 
	would further suggest that it is undoubtedly the place where the essential 
	skills of our field are best learned and honed. 
	
	I would strongly discourage you from thinking your years in it were wasted. 
	I'm sure they're not. As a 32 yr vet of this work I know the places that my 
	work has had the biggest impact on me and the children, youth and families 
	I've known were residential. The milieu, and the relationships that are 
	formed from the time and interactions that are shared in the milieu, these 
	cannot be known anywhere so much as they can be in residential treatment.
	
	For me the underlying issue of your post though is that those of us who 
	have done this for 25 years or more have (at least here in Ontario Canada) 
	seen it change immensely. How do us older ones feel about this? How do we 
	make meaning of it, and ourselves in it? How much cynicism is healthy?
Sometimes the whole marketing thing It feels like I have 
	less and less control in the unfolding of this Child youth work thing? While 
	working in it full time, I've also had the good fortune to be a very part 
	time educators of those coming into it. Thier interest in, and passion for 
	what we've done is at times humbling. I am challenged to share what was and 
	make it relevant to what is. 
	
	At whatever level you're still involved in, I encourage you to keep on 
	keepin' on. Again Charles thanks for this
	
	Michael Wattie
	...
	
	Charles,
	
	It would be hard to imagine our society without either resource for 
	children. I understand your dilemma ... what would things be like 
	without these resources; the people like yourself who have dedicated a life 
	time to helping children. In either system children can be helped. Is 
	one system of care better for some children? How could we determine this. 
	You have posed a good question. I look forward to more discussion.
	
	Trying to save the world one child at a time,
	
	Darren Facen
	...
	
	In response to the question of the need for quality residential child care 
	services, there is an extensive literature on this subject, and on the 
	relative merits of RCC and fostering and other forms of care.
	
	Jim Anglin's book Pain, normality and the struggle for congruence: 
	reinterpreting residential care for children and youth (2002) has been 
	mentioned.
	
	There are two studies relating to UK local authorities which embarked on a 
	policy of no RCC for their kids:
	
	Cliffe, David and Berridge, David: Closing Children's Homes: an end to
	residential childcare?, NCB, London, 1991 
	
	Kearney, Brian and Mapstone, Elizabeth L G: Report of the Inquiry into 
	Child care Policies in Fife: Return of an Address of the Honourable the 
	House of Commons, HMSO, House of Commons Papers 191, London, 1992 
	
	Anyone reading them will quickly realize that time spent working in RCC is 
	not wasted.
	
	Alan Macquarrie
	...
	
	Hi Charles,
	
	I read the replies here with a degree of pessimism. So, let me place my 
	cards on the table from the start. Having worked in residential child care 
	for many years I have seen many youngsters grow and thrive. Unlike Jim 
	Anglin, I have found that residential child care is not best suited as a 
	vehicle for transition to other care environments, maybe because I 
	experience the placements in my programme to last for many years. After care 
	ends our workers continue to remain closely involved with y/p and their 
	families, providing long term support in independence. I continue to have 
	involvement with y/p and their families 10 years after they left the 
	physical care of the resource.
	
	Whilst in our care we work on the attachment experiences of our y/p and use 
	relationships to facilitate and support development. My experience is that 
	residential care does work when it has a clear purpose, function and 
	philosophy of care. Over many years we have focused our interventions with 
	y/p on their growth needs not their behaviour.
	
	Consequently we don't try to fix kids, we help them developmentally grow in 
	an environment that nurtures and cares and supports even when times are very 
	tough. Our resource has proved itself time and time again and has sometimes 
	been the difference between life and death, no melodrama intended.
	
	So as you will gather, I don't apologize for our sector. It is vibrant and 
	moving forward.
	
	To you Charles, no your efforts for all these years have not been wasted, 
	but we need to continue to build the sector and to stamp our own identity 
	upon it, not leaving it to the vagaries of politicians or politics to decide 
	what we are and what we do.
	
	In direct answer to the question – yes residential child care is necessary. 
	So let's get off our knees and report the good we do, instead of perpetually 
	battering ourselves.
	
	Max Smart
	...
	
	Dear Everyone,
	I am grateful for the encouraging responses to the question I posed about 
	the necessity of residential child care. Residential child care, too 
	often the Cinderella of Child and Youth Care services, never invited to the 
	ball, yet expected not only to cope with her very difficult work but also to 
	absorb a great deal of usually unfair criticism from the ugly sisters 
	of the media. I won't extend this metaphor further for I'm not a great 
	believer in Prince Charmings (actually I'm not too big a fan of the notion 
	of "ugly sisters" either !) but I did find solace as well as "reasons to be 
	cheerful" from the responses to the thread.
	
	Thank you.
	Best wishes,
	Charles Sharpe
	...
As I see it, Residential Care has always been (and 
	probably always will be) at the core of Child and Youth Care practice. 
	But, like all other approaches, its effectiveness lies in the quality of 
	relationships rather than the particular modality. In this regard, 
	residential workers have a unique and privileged opportunity to make a 
	difference. May the force be with them.
	
	Gerry Fewster
	...
	
	What a great question from Charles Sharpe, and what interesting responses 
	and discussion.
	
	I think competent residential programs are a most necessary component of any 
	child care system. In my experience, in both residential and community 
	mental health settings, there are reasons for this. 
	
	When courts choose to remove children from their homes because of problems 
	with their behavior in the home, school, or community, the hope is that the 
	children will eventually return to their homes. Just my opinion, but I 
	think placing children with other families in such cases can further 
	compromise relationships between children and their families that are 
	already stressed. It sends a message to families that they are not 
	good enough to meet the needs of their children, that some other family can 
	do it better. It sends a similar message to the children. 
	
	In cases where courts remove children from their families because of 
	problems with the family (abuse, neglect, abandonment, incarceration, 
	death), placement with a new family may be appropriate. It is said 
	that all children deserve to grow up in a loving family who can provide for 
	their needs. One of the most important needs for children is a stable 
	place in which to grow up. When another family can provide 
	this--great. But in my experience, many of these children are quite 
	damaged, often with multiple needs beyond the capabilities of many families. 
	Families often ask to have such children removed. They go to a shelter 
	until another family is found. Then they get thrown out again. 
	
	After only a few such moves, these children begin to engage in what some 
	call testing behavior. The belief is that they are testing to see what 
	the limits are in order to see how much they can get away with. I 
	think it's more serious than that. I think they are testing to see how 
	safe they are.
	They need to know whether their new family (or any other placement) will 
	stick with them when they have serious problems with their behavior. They 
	need to find that line where, if they cross it, they will get thrown out 
	again. Only when they know exactly where that line is can they feel 
	safe.
	The closer they get to the line, the more anxious they become. They 
	can't know exactly where that line is until they cross it--and get thrown 
	out again. And I think a few children decifde to misbehave their way 
	out of a family or other placement when things get a little unpleasant, 
	hoping that the next placement will be better. 
	
	In both such cases, these children become experts at finding whatever it is 
	that a family (or other placement) cannot tolerate. Destruction of 
	cherished property, threatening other children in the home, violating 
	'inviolate' norms of the home. For these children, residential 
	treatment may be the only resource that can reasonably be expected interrupt 
	the cycle of multiple placements and provide them with a stable environment 
	in which to grow up. How can we expect children to commit to their 
	futures when they don't know where they will be living next year, or next 
	month, or next week.
	How can we expect them to invest in their education when they don't know 
	what school they will be going to next year, next month, next week?
	
	I recognize that the only children in foster care with whom I worked were 
	those who failed in foster care. I have never seen or heard about 
	their successes. But I have seen too many children seriously damaged 
	by repeated attempts to place them with families in the mistaken belief that 
	anything is better than residential care. For some children, 
	residential settings may be the only settings that can withstand and treat 
	their testing behaviors.
	E.g., when you attack my coworker, it's one thing; when you attack my wife, 
	it's an entirely different matter. 
	
	Just a few of my thoughts. It merits a chapter, or perhaps even a 
	book. 
	
	John Stein
	...
	
	This age-old debate will have many pros and many cons yet every 
	answershould be contextual to the individual needs of the child. 
	There will always be a place for Residential Care if it is in the best 
	interest of the individual child. 
	
	Residential care must not be confused with the old... "long term, indefinite 
	care"... Residential care can be short term and goal directed and can 
	serve the purpose for "that child at that time". However, the dangers 
	of using the "achievements of children" to validate the issue of long term 
	care is something that we should be careful of.
	
	There is a fundamental difference between paying lip service to community 
	based care like FSP in some areasand believing in the fundamentals of 
	Residential care. FSP in South Africa is far more successful under the 
	SOS banner than, I assume, in other parts of Africa. For the record 
	"keeping children in communities" is not a new concept but more accurately 
	put it is a concept that SOS has only recently embraced. My 
	understanding of the 2009 – 2016 SOS International Strategy is that more 
	money and effort will be spent on keeping children in communities and 
	supporting community based projects, which isvery encouragingbut there 
	will always be a place for residential child care...
	
	Thanks
	Mark Taylor
	...
	
	Hi Charles, you are pretty much spot on with your analysis of the current 
	situation regarding the obstacles to the nurturing experience that would 
	best meet children's needs. In my evaluation I would say that even if one or 
	two elements are missing children are still more safe and offered 
	opportunity for growth that would be absent in the neglectful/abusive 
	environment that they have been removed from. It is from this pragmatic 
	baseline that we need to build. Educators and leaders in the field, such as 
	yourself, speak out and engage the workforce in considering other possible 
	worlds. They model relational approaches and affirm staffs intuitive belief 
	that loving unconditional relationships are the way forward. This offers 
	hope and hopefully gives people the strength to resist new managerial 
	containment and pseudo therapeutic interventions.
	I work with a group of young people who have experienced a range of care 
	settings, some of which nurtured and supported and others that they 
	'survived', but all are of the opinion that residential care was the best 
	thing that happened to them. They have produced in conjunction with SIRCC a 
	photo project that gives moving insights into their lives. Send me an 
	address and I'll post a copy off. You will be uplifted.
	
	Peace
	Jeremy Millar
	...
	
	I am in agreement with your statement that what is needed most in child and 
	youth residential care is a solid committed and Nurturing relationship. Too 
	often administrators forget this or take it for granted and do not support 
	the groundwork for making these relationships blossom. We expect it 
	but we do not prepare for it. And then when the workers fall down or the 
	relationship falls apart we blame and shame and hold the worker accountable.
	
	This is not the world I want to live in, where those in power dictate to 
	those without power what the standards are but do nothing to train or 
	support or nurture those frontline workers, those foster parents. In 
	my line of work, foster care, we are creating intentional families. 
	Families. Not group homes or residential treatment centers. In this 
	country, the USA, we espouse family values but what does this really mean? 
	It is a extrapolation of rugged individualism; families are just supposed to 
	know how to care for severely damaged kids or they are to seek out their own 
	support. The ethic of "It takes a village" does not inform how we do 
	institutional child care. Adoption is the only permanency, which may work 
	for most kids but certainly not all. And when the relationship begins 
	to crumble we so quickly call for the kid to be removed and placed elsewhere 
	into another family which can do the work. We would never think about 
	investing in the relationship as it exists. 
	
	I too cynical. Social workers who are afraid to get dirty in relationships 
	should go be button pushers elsewhere. Too many rules in this field and not 
	enough risk takers and family makers. Too easy to cut and run. There 
	needs to be accountability for the managers and te bureaucrats. 
	
	But how? 
	
	Does anyone remember an article published by the Dulwich Center back in the 
	1990's called Partnership Accountability? It was based on their work on how 
	to hold workers accountable for sexist or racist behavior of privileged 
	persons. I implemented it once in a team I worked in where the power was 
	being wielded by a small group of the team to the detriment of the entire 
	team's cohesiveness. I wish I had a copy of it. Does anyone know how I 
	can get another? I tried their website. 
	
	Peter DeLong
	...
	
Hi there,
	
	While in the ideal world no child should grow up in an institution, the 
	reality is that many institutions still provide children with a better 
	chance in life than they would have had in the community. Many 
	children have special needs, and communities (and society) marginalises 
	these children. For example, in South Africa, the government spends 
	substantially more money on each of its prisoners than on disabled children. 
	No matter how you look at it, disabled children represent a vulnerable group 
	that is further deprived of opportunities or care "because they are just not 
	important enough". The same goes for children with mental disorders, 
	children in trouble with the law, children who have been abused, 
	traumatised, traumatically sexualised, etc etc. In many ways we 
	represent the last "line of defense" for many children who would have no 
	other opportunities.
	
	Even as organisations who work primarily with providing residential care, we 
	also work very hard to prevent residential/institutional care, but we are 
	realistic enough to admit that while we do not represent the ideal in 
	society, we still represent the best of what is available to some children.
	And anyway, I think the child care profession and residential organisations 
	are doing pretty well considering how little support we sometimes receive.
Werner van der Westhuizen
	...
Hello,
	
	I live and work as a child protection social worker in BC Canada. In 
	this province we do have residential child care but do not have secure care 
	facilities. Group homes and foster homes serve the purpose for many 
	kids, secure care would also be an assett for some of the kids we work with.
	
	We do not have institutions, as it were, but have had in the past. I 
	think each country and community needs to fill the need for its kids the 
	best way it can and we have no right to think our way is better than theirs. 
	The only thing we need to keep in mind is the best interests of the children 
	and how to make that happen the best way we can.
	
	Tanis Wiersma
	Canada
	...
	
A very interesting discussion. With the changing 
	society, it is indeed necessary. Perhaps the many young peoplewho have 
	passed through can affirm. For some, experiences have never been good! 
	Indeed others will share good experiences. The undeniable fact remains that 
	children belong in families. Unfortunately, today, many of the families are 
	not ready to receive them, let alone share their hurt and frustrations.
	
	
	In this age, how do we doubt the calibre of men and women working in these 
	settings! The phenomenon of the professionalization of child care, why does 
	it remain a concernor challenge to others! The 30 years of the 
	professionalization of the Child Care in South Africais one example. 
	
	The issue should not be whether residential child care is necessary, but it 
	is a temporary placement and makes a difference in the life of the young 
	person.The staff are equally competent to respond to the needs of the 
	children.
	
	Regards
	
	Nkwapa Moloto
	...
	
	From: John Stein [mailto:jstein5@earthlink.net]
	Sent: 10 November 2010 04:53 AM
	
	A tough question with really great responses. And now my two cents. 
	Although responses have been superior, this question merits an article, a 
	chapter, perhaps even a book. It is complex on many different levels.
	
	First, if 'care' means providing for the basic needs of children, what is 
	basic? Is it food, shelter, clothing, and a bit of supervision and 
	guidance? That's what many professionals in my part of the world 
	(Louisiana, USA) seem to think it is. Well heck, anyone can do 
	that. Don't need much training, if any. So if all a kid needs is a bit 
	of care since his family can't provide it for some reason, then all we need 
	to do is find him another home, like with foster care (or her – I'm going to 
	use 'her' from here on). No need for residential care if we can find 
	foster homes for these kids.
	
	But I think one of the basic needs of kids is stability. They need a 
	foundation. They need to know where they will be living next week, next 
	month, next year, and even further. Otherwise, how can they commit to their 
	schooling, their education? If they don't know what school they will be 
	attending next year. Or next month. Or next week. 
	Residential care can provide that stability. Too often, foster care 
	cannot and does not.
	
	Then how about the kid who has a stable home, but who is having so many 
	problems that her parents cannot provide for her needs? We have all 
	seen these kids. Do we put these kids with another family instead of 
	in residential care while we get treatment for them and for their parents 
	with some therapist? If so, what is the message to the parents – and 
	the child? "You are so bad as parents that your kid needs another home?" 
	"Your parents are so bad you would be better off with another family?" 
	Seems to me that only adds to the problems, the damage to the family. Isn't 
	it easier to promote the idea that these serious problems may be no one's 
	fault and that some professional help is required? I mean, I just hate 
	the idea of having a kid conclude that she would be better off with another 
	family, or a family conclude that their kid would be better off with other 
	parents. 
	
	But that's the simple stuff. In reality, we have children with serious 
	multiple problems. Children who have not learned (for whatever reasons) 
	things they should have learned – academically for sure, but also socially, 
	such as values and beliefs and skills and behaviors and attitudes and 
	empathy and respect. And then we have children who have learned things 
	they should not have learned, such as beliefs in retaliation and revenge and 
	all the attitudes and skills and behaviors that go along with that. 
	And the children who have screwed up feelings and emotions and ... well, 
	we've got some kids with lots of problems. And then these kids also 
	have normal developmental needs in addition to their special needs. 
	Sometimes these normal needs seem to get neglected with all the attention to 
	their special needs. A comprehensive treatment program can address all 
	these things – c24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Putting such kids with 
	a foster family and providing a bit of time with a therapist on Tuesdays – well, too often that just isn't enough. And the foster family gets 
	overwhelmed and says 'Get her out, let us try another kid.'
	
	Like Charles Sharpe, I lament the lack of recognition that residential 
	'care' receives (I much prefer to talk about residential treatment). 
	In the early 90's, I was talking with a professor of social work about a 
	book I was writing on residential treatment and advocating for a bit more 
	training in residential treatment for social workers – they usually end up 
	directing our programs here in Louisiana yet have no vision for residential 
	treatment and no training in the field. Her response – "Residential 
	treatment will never amount to more than a chapter in an introductory social 
	work text." Her concept – a place for kids to live while they go to therapy 
	sessions with a 'trained professional.' Residential treatment can and 
	should be so much more!
	
	I know what 'care' means to those in the field of Child and Youth Care. 
	It encompasses all these things. I also know what the term means to 
	others, to professionals outside the field and to the public and the 
	politicians who provide funding. They think of it as baby-sitting.
	
	Can't help but wonder whether we need to work on our terminology, 
	emphasizing treatment instead of care. And how about 'beds,' as in "We 
	are licensed for 12 beds," or "We have a bed open for an adolescent female." 
	Or my favorite from state workers looking for placement for a difficult 
	child with multiple needs, "I need a bed for a 12-year-old female." 
	Really. Go to the Salvation Army. They have beds for sale, 
	cheap. Beds that don't discriminate in terms of age, sex, race, or 
	anything else. Tell me. What do you really need? What does 
	the kid really need? I just bet it's more than a bed. But if a 
	bed is all you ask for, that just might be all you get.
	
	Perhaps we should be talking about child development specialists instead of 
	child care workers. That is, after all, what we are. And 
	comprehensive residential treatment instead of residential care. 
	
	John Stein
	New Orleans
	...
A very interesting discussion indeed.
	
	I would like to add to the point that John made regarding the process that a 
	family endures when they are no longer capable of 'caring' for their child.
I have been working in residential homes for the last 
	four years and have worked closely with a number of different youth. All of 
	the children and youth I have worked with are individuals who are dealing 
	with a wide range of developmental and behavioral disabilities and they all 
	have one thing in common; that is that they have all gone through the 
	traumatic experience of being taken away from their family homes. Almost 
	every child I have worked with does not understand why their parents "don't 
	want them" and have guilt complexes about being "bad". To put it simply, 
	children who must leave their family homes to receive treatment in a 
	different home whether it is foster care or staffed residential care go 
	through a traumatic experience that results in attachment issues ranging 
	from mild to severe and my question is: Why are we adding a challenge before 
	we start any treatment? Is this really the most effective way to begin 
	treatment? It seems to me that we are dealing with the wrong problem. The 
	child already has a home, why do they need a new one?
	
	Now here is my idealistic proposal: What if when a family was having 
	difficulty caring for their youth instead of putting all of our resources 
	into building a new home if we could staff the already existing home? This 
	is what it would look like:
	
	1) The family would be referred to this new resource.
	2) A professional would have appointments with the family to assess the 
	needs of the family as a whole (here we are using the ecological system).
	3) The professional would arrange for qualified staff to come work in the 
	home offering support and respite while at the same time making changes to 
	the home that would be the same changes we (qualified residential staff) 
	would make to the group home. Instead of training new staff to come work in 
	the home (like we already do any time there is a staff turn around) we would 
	be training the parents.
	4) Eventually the home would be set up to meet the needs of the parents and 
	youth. The youth would be involved in a number of programs both therapeutic 
	and recreational, the parents would have the skills needed to properly deal 
	with difficult behaviors the youth presents and the qualified staff would 
	begin the process of moving out of the home.
	5) On-going support for parents and youth would follow.
	
	In this idealistic option we get to skip the part where the youth (who is 
	already dealing with enough issues) is put through a traumatic experience of 
	being taken from their families that they sometimes never recover from. In 
	this option the treatment starts immediately and is also more holistic 
	involving the entire family. I was taught that it is most important to keep 
	the family system intact, after all a youth is not their own entity but part 
	of a bigger system. It does not make sense to take a part of a broken system 
	out and fix it then return it to the broken system and expect the system to 
	work.
	
	Obviously this would not work in every situation, I am speaking specifically 
	about the children and youth who are already in a family home that is just 
	overwhelmed by the youth because they do not have the tools to properly 
	'care' for the youth. I often feel frustrated by the lack of effectiveness I 
	can offer in my position as a residential care worker and see that myself as 
	a resource could be so much more useful. In residential homes, I am picking 
	up the pieces of a broken home instead of working on the problem that broke 
	the home in the first place.
	
	Thanks for listening to my two cents. I appreciate a forum that enables me 
	to vent and share ideas with other caring professionals. Thank you,
	
	Amanda Barry.
	Canada.
	...
	
	Dear Everyone,
	I am supposed to be getting on with finalising the December 15th issue of 
	the goodenoughcaring Journal (I'm sure no one noticed that subliminally 
	communicated commercial) when I read Amanda's contribution to this thread 
	and it got me enthusiastic for her new ideas and, saddened by my own past 
	failures. Like Lynne and John, I support Amanda's proposals and indeed in 
	the early 1980s the late Martin Wigg, then the Principal of Sparrows Herne 
	Observation and Assessment Centre in Hertfordshire, England, developed a 
	service of care in the family supported by residential workers from Sparrows 
	Herne and this proved so successful that the the local authority social 
	services department – which was then headed by Herbert Laming – closed many 
	of their residential centres in order to focus on what came to be known 
	across all client groups from child care through to care for elderly 
	adults as "care in the community" or "community care". 
	
	This became a country wide movement and as an approach it proved successful 
	and to an extent it is still evident as a caring approach with adults but it 
	did not flourish with youngsters in their families because the latter often 
	required intensive resourcing and so many local public authorities 
	regarded it as either too expensive or, more frequently, interpreted 
	it as a money saving exercise which led to a superficial service whose only 
	merit was that it was cheaper than residential child care.
	
	I was involved in similarly professionally successful public, private 
	and voluntary sector initiaitves to provide residentially backed family 
	support in the north midlands of England in the late 80s, in the south west 
	of England in the early nineties and in the last decade in the private 
	sector in the London area. All were thwarted – despite their widely 
	acknowledged efficacy – because of a lack of political and 
	financial commitment to the family support approach.
	
	I also think that field social workers, who referred children to residential 
	homes found themselves in the unhappy position of being reduced to being 
	mere purchasers of services and envious that they were not given the time to 
	do direct support work with families and so perhaps did not support these 
	projects as well as they might. Of course offering the kind of 
	intensive support that a residential worker can provide within the family 
	home falls well within the umbrella of the role of the social pedagogue in 
	Europe. 
	
	Social pedagogues have traditionally worked in the life space in residential 
	homes and in families I would also say that there are children who for a 
	short time at least are safer outside of the family and are best 
	helped in a residential group care setting. These tend to be children who 
	though wishing eventually to return to living with their families find the 
	notion temporarily unbearable. There are also children who have suffered so 
	much from family life that even foster family care is in the long term too 
	threatening for them.
I hope Amanda you will continue to develop and promote 
	your own original ideas about support for families. They will work but they 
	require a lot of political, professional and financial commitment. 
	If you can persuade those who purchase child care services to provide this 
	kind of resource you will have done a great service for the many children 
	who would benefit from it. Don't give up on this.
	
	Best wishes,
	Charles Sharpe